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Rasmusen p1vaim: /* The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China */

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‎The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China

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‎The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China

Rasmusen p1vaim: /* The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China */

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‎The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China

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‎The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China

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‎The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China

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‎The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China

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‎The Protestant Reaction to Ancestor Rites in China

Rasmusen p1vaim: /* The Malabar Rites Controversy */

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‎The Malabar Rites Controversy

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 protecting care, and now we beseech yon to accept our offerings and
 make our posterity prosperous and happy."
 }}
 ==The Malabar Rites Controversy==
 [https://hcommons.org/deposits/download/hc:10548/CONTENT/aranha-meilleures-causes.pdf  "Les meilleures causes embarrassent les juges, si elles manquent de bonnes preuves: Père Norbert’s Militant Historiography on the Malabar Rites Controversy"] by  Paolo Aranha  is about the history of the Malabar Rites controversy in India in the 1700's. This was not about idolatry, but about ritual purity, so it is probably not useful to illuminate the  flag-as-idolatry issue except to show how tempting it  is to abandon doctrine to make converts.  It seems the essential problem is that the missionaries were obeying caste and other contact restrictions and preventing some Christians from receiving sacraments as a result, to avoid offending local custom.

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 must be taken down whenever the teacher has control, and he must
 stand clear of any countenance whatever of the worship of the sages.
 }}
 ==The Malabar Rites Controversy==
 [https://hcommons.org/deposits/download/hc:10548/CONTENT/aranha-meilleures-causes.pdf  "Les meilleures causes embarrassent les juges, si elles manquent de bonnes preuves: Père Norbert’s Militant Historiography on the Malabar Rites Controversy"] by  Paolo Aranha  is about the history of the Malabar Rites controversy in India in the 1700's. This was not about idolatry, but about ritual purity, so it is probably not useful to illuminate the  flag-as-idolatry issue except to show how tempting it  is to abandon doctrine to make converts.  It seems the essential problem is that the missionaries were obeying caste and other contact restrictions and preventing some Christians from receiving sacraments as a result, to avoid offending local custom.

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 protection. My trust is in your divine spirit. Ferverently I present the
 xxxon five-fold sacrifice."
 }}
 ==The Malabar Rites Controversy==
 [https://hcommons.org/deposits/download/hc:10548/CONTENT/aranha-meilleures-causes.pdf  "Les meilleures causes embarrassent les juges, si elles manquent de bonnes preuves: Père Norbert’s Militant Historiography on the Malabar Rites Controversy"] by  Paolo Aranha  is about the history of the Malabar Rites controversy in India in the 1700's. This was not about idolatry, but about ritual purity, so it is probably not useful to illuminate the  flag-as-idolatry issue except to show how tempting it  is to abandon doctrine to make converts.  It seems the essential problem is that the missionaries were obeying caste and other contact restrictions and preventing some Christians from receiving sacraments as a result, to avoid offending local custom.

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 thought about the matter he deemed the practice was opposed to Christianity, and therefore not allowable. And from that time he has not
 wavered in this opinion, and has suffered mucli persecution in consequence.
 }}
 ==The Malabar Rites Controversy==
 [https://hcommons.org/deposits/download/hc:10548/CONTENT/aranha-meilleures-causes.pdf  "Les meilleures causes embarrassent les juges, si elles manquent de bonnes preuves: Père Norbert’s Militant Historiography on the Malabar Rites Controversy"] by  Paolo Aranha  is about the history of the Malabar Rites controversy in India in the 1700's. This was not about idolatry, but about ritual purity, so it is probably not useful to illuminate the  flag-as-idolatry issue except to show how tempting it  is to abandon doctrine to make converts.  It seems the essential problem is that the missionaries were obeying caste and other contact restrictions and preventing some Christians from receiving sacraments as a result, to avoid offending local custom.

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 Professor Lo and other non-Christian or pseudo-Christian scholars do not take the theological issue seriously. They see that most Chinese are insincere in worshipping their ancestors and conclude that it is not idolatry. They see that a ban on idolatry impeded conversion and conclude that the ban was unwise.  They do not discuss the views of the opponents of ancestory worship in any detail whatsoever.
-[https://archive.org/stream/recordsofgeneral00gene/recordsofgeneral00gene_djvu.txt   dfsfdsffs]
+One missionary  [https://archive.org/stream/recordsofgeneral00gene/recordsofgeneral00gene_djvu.txt   said in 1877]
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 As to ancestral worship, it is unquestionably the real religion of the Chinese. We are sometimes blamed by men
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 are concerned, 1 can say positively that they have always been heartily
 opposed to all such things, and have never given them any sanction whatever.
 }}
 ==The Malabar Rites Controversy==
 [https://hcommons.org/deposits/download/hc:10548/CONTENT/aranha-meilleures-causes.pdf  "Les meilleures causes embarrassent les juges, si elles manquent de bonnes preuves: Père Norbert’s Militant Historiography on the Malabar Rites Controversy"] by  Paolo Aranha  is about the history of the Malabar Rites controversy in India in the 1700's. This was not about idolatry, but about ritual purity, so it is probably not useful to illuminate the  flag-as-idolatry issue except to show how tempting it  is to abandon doctrine to make converts.  It seems the essential problem is that the missionaries were obeying caste and other contact restrictions and preventing some Christians from receiving sacraments as a result, to avoid offending local custom.

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 [[Robert Morrison wrote two papers in the Chinese Repository]] on ancestor rites in Japan in the 1830's.
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 Morrison, Robert.  1832. [https://ia802809.us.archive.org/11/items/chinesereposito10unkngoog/chinesereposito10unkngoog.pdf "Worshipping at the Tombs,"]  ''Chinese Repository,''  1 (5: September).
+<br>
 Morrison, Robert. 1833. [https://ia802809.us.archive.org/11/items/chinesereposito10unkngoog/chinesereposito10unkngoog.pdf  "Tombs of Ancestors,"] ''Chinese Repository''   (12: 499-503, April).
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+{{Quotation|
 As to ancestral worship, it is unquestionably the real religion of the Chinese. We are sometimes blamed by men
 who know very little about its nature because we proscribe the observance of it. But we have no alternative, this worship of deceased ancestors is a subtle phase of idolatry, and as such cannot be tolerated in the

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−	[https://hcommons.org/deposits/download/hc:10548/CONTENT/aranha-meilleures-causes.pdf "Les meilleures causes embarrassent les juges,	+	[https://hcommons.org/deposits/download/hc:10548/CONTENT/aranha-meilleures-causes.pdf "Les meilleures causes embarrassent les juges, si elles manquent de bonnes preuves: Père Norbert’s Militant Historiography on the Malabar Rites Controversy"] by Paolo Aranha is about the history of the Malabar Rites controversy in India in the 1700's. This was not about idolatry, but about ritual purity, so it is probably not useful to illuminate the flag-as-idolatry issue except to show how tempting it is to abandon doctrine to make converts. It seems the essential problem is that the missionaries were obeying caste and other contact restrictions and preventing some Christians from receiving sacraments as a result, to avoid offending local custom.
−	si elles manquent de bonnes preuves: Père Norbert’s Militant Historiography on the Malabar Rites Controversy"] by Paolo Aranha is about the history of the Malabar Rites controversy in India in the 1700's. This was not about idolatry, but about ritual purity, so it is probably not useful to illuminate the flag-as-idolatry issue except to show how tempting it is to abandon doctrine to make converts. It seems the essential problem is that the missionaries were obeying caste and other contact restrictions and preventing some Christians from receiving sacraments as a result, to avoid offending local custom.